One Big Fat U*U Lie aka UUA False Propaganda
From: Justice & Diversity on the UUA web site.
Unitarian Universalists are dedicated to living our faith and practicing what we preach. Working for civil rights and combating oppression are essential parts of our spiritual journey. Our faith community has worked for justice for hundreds of years, from advocating for free speech and the free practice of religion as far back as the fifteen hundreds to helping to abolish slavery and supporting women’s rights beginning in the eighteen hundreds. We continue to work for justice today in ways that resonate with our Principles, from protecting our environment to standing up for the bisexual, gay, lesbian, and transgender people. While we cannot always take action on every issue that arises, we do our best to make our congregations, our communities, our denomination, and our world a better place.
Unitarian Universalists are dedicated to living our faith and practicing what we preach. Working for civil rights and combating oppression are essential parts of our spiritual journey. Our faith community has worked for justice for hundreds of years, from advocating for free speech and the free practice of religion as far back as the fifteen hundreds to helping to abolish slavery and supporting women’s rights beginning in the eighteen hundreds. We continue to work for justice today in ways that resonate with our Principles, from protecting our environment to standing up for the bisexual, gay, lesbian, and transgender people. While we cannot always take action on every issue that arises, we do our best to make our congregations, our communities, our denomination, and our world a better place.
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UUs have founded scientific disciplines and made important discoveries,
UUs have died trying to help oppressed people,
UU churches support congregations and villages all over the world,
UUs run programs to educate inner city poor children and help them build better lives,
UU churches feed the homeless, run food and clothing drives for the poor, build habitat for humanity homes, clean up streams and volunteer countless hours to make for a better world,
but they didn't let Robin Edgar, a white guy in one of the most powerful, priviliged societies in the world, start his own holiday.
And when someone called him names, they expected him to take it like a man instead of throwing a decades-long temper tantrum.
So anything good anyone says about them must be a lie. They are horrible, awful people.
They should immediately stop all the good things they are doing, and focus entirely on Robin, Robin's opinions, Robin's criticims, Robin's human rights complaints and Robin's protests.
How dare they build schools in Eastern Europe and buy tractors for poor farmers in Asia and send medical supplies to Africa, when the real tragedy is that nobody loves this Canadian white guy?
Can't you see that his problems are so much more important that sick and dying and poverty stricken people of color?
Silly black people, thinking UUs should care about your problems when there's a rich white guy who GOT HIS FEELINGS HURT.
Only when the UUA, CUA and really all of world wide Unitarian Universalism is paying attention to Robin Edgar will they be behaving like good and reasonable people. The only way to follow the seven principles is to lavish Robin, and indeed all white men from weathly countries, with attention, praise and adoration.
Either that, or they could write Robin off as a crazy motherfucker and a big whiny baby and go back to helping people who have real problems.
Every other UU blog I've ever seen has talked about the importance of taking care of the poor, or taking care of the environment. I've never seen you talk about any problems but your own.
This blog is about U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy. Those that affect me personally, and plenty of other people as well. I talk about a variety of U*U injustices and abuses here that I am not affected by such as U*U clergy sexual misconduct for instance. It is not the purpose of this blog to point out the good things that U*Us do. You have just made it very clear that U*Us are doing that all the time. . . The purpose of this blog is to expose and denounce some serious problems of the U*U community so that U*Us will finally get around to cleaning up their act.
For the record the phrase -
"Blow a fuse."
Usually refers to someone getting very angry and losing control. The oh so colorful U*U of color allcolors*exceptwhite*arebeautiful did just that here and would seem to be a FU*USER to boot.
Of course nobody's saying that about you right now. Has anyone said it in the last ten years?
I've pretty much heard UUs say "I believe you, but get over it" or "I don't believe you, go away and stop repeating the same crap over and over."
But "cult?" Nope. And I haven't seen "psychotic" either. Those are ten-year-old insults.
AllColors did say you were a whiner a bit ago.
Is that keeping you from working for other people and forcing you to think/write only about yourself?
If not, what is?
That happened over 60 years ago and is totally irrelevant to the U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy that I am dealing with on this blog. I expect that those UUs would be appalled at how Montreal Unitarians and other U*Us have behaved towards me and other people.
:UUs have founded scientific disciplines and made important discoveries,
So have people from any number of other religions. Does that absolve those religions from the injustices, abuses and hypocrisy that they are guiLty of? I think not. . . The last time I checked I have made a few important "discoveries" myself but when I try to share them U*Us label me as a`"crazy" "psychoyic" "nutcase".
:UUs have died trying to help oppressed people,
Yes, a small handful of U*Us have died trying to help oppressed people. But other U*Us seem to be quite happy to engage in oppressing people. . .
:UU churches support congregations and villages all over the world,
And how is this relevant to the U*U injustices, abuses and hypcrisy that I am talking about here? Christian churches support congregations and villages all over the world. Does that mean that people should not talk about the injustices, abuses, and hypocrisy of some Christians?
:UUs run programs to educate inner city poor children and help them build better lives,
And other U*Us crap all over people`s religious beliefs. . .
:UU churches feed the homeless, run food and clothing drives for the poor, build habitat for humanity homes, clean up streams and volunteer countless hours to make for a better world,
This is also totally irrelevant to the U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy that this blog exposes and denounces.
:but they didn't let Robin Edgar, a white guy in one of the most powerful, priviliged societies in the world, start his own holiday.
What does my being "a white guy" have to do with this? And don`t Deny, Ignore and Minimize the well-documented injustices and abuses that U*Us are guilty of by pretending that all that they did was prevent me from starting a "holiday". There is a lot more to it than that.
:And when someone called him names,
Labeling someone as "psychotic", and falsely and maliciously labeling their religious activities as a "cult", goes well beyond "namecalling" ACEWAB.
:they expected him to take it like a man instead of throwing a decades-long temper tantrum.
I would say that you are the one throwing a temper tantrum ACEWAB. I have always quite calmly and rationally described the injustices and abuses that U*Us are guilty of. Obviously you and a whole lot of other U*Us can`t take my legitimate criticism "like a man" can you?
:So anything good anyone says about them must be a lie. They are horrible, awful people.
I never said that ACEWAB. All I did was contrast the false propaganda of the UUA with how some U*Us have actually behaved towards me, to say nothing of other people. . .
:They should immediately stop all the good things they are doing, and focus entirely on Robin, Robin's opinions, Robin's criticims, Robin's human rights complaints and Robin's protests.
I never said that either but it would be a good idea if U*Us did finally focus an appropriate amount of attention on my criticiosm`s and protests etc.
:How dare they build schools in Eastern Europe and buy tractors for poor farmers in Asia and send medical supplies to Africa, when the real tragedy is that nobody loves this Canadian white guy?
Actually a fair number of people love me just for showing up U*Us as the outrageous hypocrites they clearly are ACEWAB. . . For the record, more people might have done more of the good things you have listed here if U*Us had not crapped all over Creation Day, and some of my other religious initiatives. . .
:Can't you see that his problems are so much more important that sick and dying and poverty stricken people of color?
I never said that either ACEWAB, but the fact of the matter is that the anti-religious intolerance and bigotry of too many U*Us, and related injustices and abuses, impedes my ability to work on such problems.
:Silly black people, thinking UUs should care about your problems when there's a rich white guy who GOT HIS FEELINGS HURT.
Well I hate to say so ACEWAB but, regardless of what color of skin you may have, you are being more than a tad silly here. . . The anti-religious intolerance and bigotry, and related injustices and abuses, that U*Us are clearly guilty of subjecting me to go well beyond just hurting my feelings. In fact I am an emotionally tough person and and don`t get emotionally hurt very easily. I don`t ever get all that angry but I do get even. . .
:Only when the UUA, CUA and really all of world wide Unitarian Universalism is paying attention to Robin Edgar will they be behaving like good and reasonable people.
I never said that either ACEWAB, but until U*Us do pay a reasonable amount of attention to the serious issues that I am raising here, and responsibly deal with the very real injustices, abuses and hypocrisy that I am protesting against, I can and will accuse them of being less than good and less than reasonable.
:The only way to follow the seven principles is to lavish Robin, and indeed all white men from weathly countries, with attention, praise and adoration.
Of course. . .
:Either that, or they could write Robin off as a crazy motherfucker
They already did that years ago ACEWAB. That`s how this conflict began right? Just look what good it got them. . .
:and a big whiny baby and go back to helping people who have real problems.
You mean like Rev. Diane Rollert for instance? I do believe that U*Us are already helping her to continue the U*U tradition of making a total mockery of U*U principles. . .
Wrong. . . A member of the Unitarian Church of Montreal labeled my religious activities as a "cult" and "cult-like" to my face just a few weeks ago. Forgive me for not getting around to blogging about it yet. . . Lot`s of U*Us pretend I am insane as witness ACEWAB`s labeling me as a "crazy motherfucker" in this thread. I have been reliably informed by a member of the Unitarian Church of Montreal that many members of the UCM actually believe that I am "psychotic". That might help to explain why their new minister is so "very frightened" and even "terrified" of me. . .
:I've pretty much heard UUs say "I believe you, but get over it" or "I don't believe you, go away and stop repeating the same crap over and over."
Some U*Us do just that. Unfortunately, U*Us do keep repeating the same crap over and over. . . So I continue to protest.
:But "cult?" Nope. And I haven't seen "psychotic" either. Those are ten-year-old insults.
Wrong. Not even ten week old insults thanks to a rather colorful Montreal U*U of color. . . In any case, they are insults that have been effectively endorsed by the Unitarian Church of Montreal and the UUA and that is not acceptable. I expect U*Us to remove the stigma of such insulting and defamatory language as well as other insults and defamations that they are guilty of.
:AllColors did say you were a whiner a bit ago.
What? You missed the "crazy motherfucker" bit?
:Is that keeping you from working for other people and forcing you to think/write only about yourself?
Nope. I do work for other people, including other victims of U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy. . . And I definitely do not think/write only about myself. The fact remains that living under the shadow of U*U slander, and having to deal with continued U*U oppression in various forms, does make it all that much harder to do other things. Why do you suppose I am trying so hard to get U*Us to clean up the mess they have created?
I see you're saying you "do work for other people."
Other than whining on the internet and waving signs in front of UCM, what exactly do you do for other people?
And who exactly loves you for the work you're doing? The people who write you (always privately) to tell you how great you are and come up to you (at times when you're not running your camera) and offer to join your protest?
Surely the people on the internet, aside from the couple of dozen people on stumbleupon, seem to mostly ignore you or tell you to go away.
How So?
I believe you have acknowledged that you are yourself the primary repeater of the claims against you. Few people would have heard any negative comments Montreal UU's had about you. By your own accounts, the comments were between church members, or directly to you in private.
You claim that slander has caused damages. That calls for a lawyer.
Slander or not, it would not have impacted your ability to live or to help others.
You are not oppressed.
You have presented no evidence that anything any UU has said has impeded your life in any way.
Your life is not so much affected by what other people have said about you as what you have said and done.
Seriously, quit shifting blame.
"Hey, I'm Jeremiah. They threw me in prison and then I was murdered by the Egyptians."
"I'm Isaiah, but you can call me Izzy. I was sawed in half. “
"Moses. Almost killed as a baby. Watched my people enslaved , beaten and murdered. Decades of wandering the desert, never got to see the Promised Land because I wanted the water at Meiribah to flow faster for my thirsty people.”
“Abraham. Sure, God stopped me from actually killing my child. But he hasn’t stopped the nightmares.”
Around then, somebody says, “Hey, what’s your story?”
And Robin says “They said I was trying to start a cult and that I was psychotic. They asked me not to come back to their church. So I protested their church once a week for several decades, during which time they…”
“Threw you in jail?” Jeremiah asks
“No,”
“Enslaved your entire race?" Moses suggests.
“No,”
“Tortured you until you died?” Isaiah proposes.
“No, but they did knock over my signs every once in awhile…”
I’m imagining an awkward silence amongst the prophets.
CC
The Montreal church makes no mention of you in their website. Nothing about your fight with them has ever been posted to the web- except by you. Not more than a hundred people on the entire planet would ever know Rev. Drennan had used the words "psychotic" or "cult" in referrence to you- had you not posted it. No one from that church has ever posted a word about you- except in direct reply to your posts and comments. No one outside of the UCM would ever be aware of their remarks about you- if not for your own posting of them. No UU, to the best I can search, has ever insulted you or your beliefs- except in direct reply to your offensive comments.
YOU are the one casting the shadow under which you claim to live- they are not present. Please explain to me how their slander is making it harder for you to do anything else when you are the only one spreading their slander?
This has to be one of the most idiotic and morally bankrupt comments that you have ever posted to the internet. I might have expected it from an "amoralist" troll like indrax aka James Andrix (indeed I do expect such idiocy from indrax. . .) but I did not really expect such moral moronity from you. I will indeed explain in some detail just how idiotic your comment is later. Right now I have more important things to do with my time. Ditto for responding to the idiotic comments of ChaliceChick aka CC and James Andrix aka the indrax troll. Congratulations! You all are doing an excellent job of very publicly giving the lie to that U*U false propaganda in the original post.
A search of your own blog will reveal that you have referred to your own prophecy plenty of times.
Given that the messages of prophets who have had to suffer a lot more than you did are enduring thousands of years later, it does seem a little odd to read "The fact remains that living under the shadow of U*U slander, and having to deal with continued U*U oppression in various forms, does make it all that much harder to do other things."
I mean, come on. Moses was gossiped about and had to go into hiding because he would have been killed if the gossip had reached the Egyptians. That didn't ruin Moses' life.
People made fun of you. So what? Do good anyway.
CC
I am doing this to give you the opportunity to give it some serious thought and then come back here, acknowledge that you made a serious error in judgment, and that U*Us are in fact primarily responsible for the fact that I am still living under the shadow of Rev. Ray Drennan's and other intolerant and/or abusive U*Us' "insulting and defamatory" "injurious and untrue" allegations about me.
Here's a hint Joel. Like James andrix, aka the indrax troll, you are engaging in victim blaming here. If you want me to come back here and explain in point-by-point detail just how you are doing so in all your DIM Thinking glory all you have to do is *nothing* for the next 24 to 48 hours or so. Be assured that if I have to come back here and explain things to you I am not going to be pulling any punches*. . .
*figuratively seaking of course
Thanks for yet another Unitarian*Universalist U*U classic example of DIM Thinking* CC. Not that you have not provided a number of others in the past. . .
*Denial, Ignorance, and Minimization of unethical practices, including but not limited to clergy misconduct.
I forgot to point out that AllColors*ExceptWhite*AreBeautiful is doing a pretty good job of that too. . .
No less than four DIM Thinking U*Us have chimed in here to underline the valid points that I have made in this post.
Joel's a big boy. I think you can say whatever you want to/about Joel and he will be able to keep right on doing good.
Can you say the same?
CC
Here's what I think Robin. I think you're going to point out to Joel that abusers, in this scenario verbal abusers, rely on their victims remaining silent, often out of fear that more people will believe the abuser. You will also point out that it is impossible to speak out against verbal abuse without repeating the verbal abuse, and that heaping fault upon the victim merely for speaking out is victim blaming.
I hope you do, That's one of the reactions I was shooting for.
But your so called dim thinking is not what happened here.
all colors highlighted that nothing unitarians have done to you compares to any of the real abuse or suffering in the world.
You claimed that the shadow of slander and having to deal with oppression.
I pointed out that there was no shadow and no oppression. Nothing UU's have done stop you from living your life and helping others. Your hardships are the results of your own actions.
Following your patterns of shifting blame and deflecting issues, you accuse people of dim thinking and don't address my valid points.
You also withhold information from Joel so that he will either adopt your way of thinking or you will more viciously attack him. This I find IMMENSELY interesting and illustrative.
Thank you for your obedience.
And Joel is right. The shadow is yours. This is not victim blaming. It is not your repetition of the insults that causes you hardship. You are not casting a shadow because people believe the slander or because people think you shouldn't make waves.
Your shadow is your actions and choices. You insult those who disagree. You post off topic merely to serve your agenda, not to engage with others. You spend prodigious time and effort avenging inconsequential insults while your religious vision whithers.
Valid point, repeated:Your life is not so much affected by what other people have said about you as what you have said and done.
:I hope you do, That's one of the reactions I was shooting for.
Bravo James! Every now and then you do chime in with a worthwhile comment. That is certainly a significant part of what I was going to point out to Joel in my point-by-point rebuttal of his DIM Thinking victim blaming U*U BS, but it is not all of it.
:But your so called dim thinking is not what happened here.
Yes it is and I will point out how later. I remind you that DIM Thinking is defined by Dee Niller as Denial, Ignorance and Minimization of unethical practices and Joel, CC and others are definitely doing that here.
:all colors highlighted that nothing unitarians have done to you compares to any of the real abuse or suffering in the world.
Sorry indrax but *all* abuse and suffering is *real* abuse and suffering. There are varying degrees of abuse and suffering and I have always kept things in perspective. I have alweays truthfully and accurately described the *real* abuse and/or suffering that U*Us are guilty of inflicting and/or perpetuating against me and other people.
:You claimed that the shadow of slander and having to deal with oppression.
The slander is publicly known. It is true that it is publicly known because I went public with it in an effort to combat but it was already well established within the confines of the Unitarian Church of Montreal and other parts of the U*U World and I had good reason to believe that if I did not go public with it in a controlled manner, in an effort to expose it and end it, that Rev. Ray Drennan and/or other intolerant and abusive U*Us might well make it public down the road a bit. . . My concerns about such a scenario are amply vindicated by the fact that Rev. Ray Drennan had no qualms about very publicly defecating all over Pierre Elliot Trudeau's Roman Catholic state funeral in the Montreal Gazette some years later.
:I pointed out that there was no shadow and no oppression.
And you were, and still are, very wrong about that. The slander is publicly known and U*Us have done absolutely nothing to ensure that I am cleared of that slander against me. Falsely and maliciously labeling someone's religious activities as a "cult", and accusing them of being "psychotic" etc., miost certainly is an act of oppression. As are many of the subsequent acts of oppression that have been perpetrated against me by U*Us, such as threatening me with expulsion from the church if I did not drop my grievances against Rev. Ray Drennan, and actually expelling me from the church because I continued to air my grievances to church leaders and congregants and even eventually "went public" with them. I could provide various other examples of U*U oppression but that will do for now.
:Nothing UU's have done stop you from living your life and helping others.
I do live my life and help other James, but U*Us have in fact seriously diminished the quality of my life in various ways, and the slander that I am "psychotic" and Creation Day and/or my other religious activities is a "cult" most certainly damages my ability to freely practice my religuion in ways that could be very helpful to others.
:Your hardships are the results of your own actions.
Wrong indrax. Many of my "hardships" as you put it are the direct and/or indirect results of the harmful words and actions of U*Us.
:Following your patterns of shifting blame and deflecting issues, you accuse people of dim thinking and don't address my valid points.
Sorry indrax but you and other DIM Thinking victim blaming U*Us are far more guilty of shifting blame than I am. I place blame where it very clearly should be placed and most people will agree with me on that point. You and other U*Us are constantly deflecting issues away from the very real injustices, abuses, hypocrisy and yes, *oppression* that U*Us are clearly and unequivocally guilty of. That is when you and other U*Us are not Denying, Ignoring and Minimizing them. . .
:You also withhold information from Joel so that he will either adopt your way of thinking or you will more viciously attack him.
I was simply giving him an opportunity use the brain Giod gave him, see the light, and voluntarily acknowledge the error of his ways. My very thorough point-by-point rebuttal of his DIM Thinking words, that I have not even delivered yet, cannot be characterized as "viciously attack him." I just made it clear that I would not be holding anything back if and when I delivered it.
:This I find IMMENSELY interesting and illustrative.
And that says more about you than anyone else indrax. . .
:Thank you for your obedience.
What "obedience" indrax? I am certainly not "obeying" you just because you had the brains to see what most people have the brains to see. . .
:And Joel is right. The shadow is yours.
No the shadow belongs to U*Us because they created it and, for over decade a have donme absolutely nothing to diminish. The "shadow" cast by Rev. Ray Drennan's "insulting and defamatory language" and related U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy, hangs over U*Us as much as, if not more so, than it hangs over me indrax. . . I am very confident that most people of intelligence and conscience understand that I am not "psychotic" and Creation Day was not a "cult" etc. etc. etc. They can also see very clearly that U*Us not only never did anything to clear my name from that shadow but have gone to considerable, and highly questionable, lengths to silence me and punish me for revealing it. . .
:This is not victim blaming.
Sorry indrax but what you and CC and Joel and other U*Us have said here most certainly is a form of "shifting blame" onto the victim aka "victim blaming".
:It is not your repetition of the insults that causes you hardship.
:You are not casting a shadow because people believe the slander or because people think you shouldn't make waves.
Very few people, other than outrageously hypocritical U*Us of course. . . think that I should not be making waves about U*U injustices, abuses, hypocrisy and indeed stupidity. I dare say that some people would just love it if I made enough waves to sink the U*U "Ship of Fools".
:Your shadow is your actions and choices.
Yes. I very much agree indrax *my* shadow results from my choice of words and actions. Just as the shadow of individual U*Us, or indeed the collective U*U World. . . is made up of the poorly chosen words and actions of U*Us. Couldn't agree more.
:You insult those who disagree.
Wrong. I insult those who I believe have earned an insult or two for various reasons. Most often the people who I insult have insulted me first. Lot's of people who disagree with me without insulting me are never insulted. If I am somewhat generous with insults towards some U*Us it is because U*Us have repeatedly insulted me, and very few U*Us have done anything to ensure that U*Us are held accountable for their "insulting and defamatory language".
:You post off topic merely to serve your agenda, not to engage with others.
Most of my posts are in fact on topic to the general themes of the threads that I post to, or to the previous follow-up comments on those threads. I am more than ready, willing and able to engage with others but few U*Us are ready, willing and able to engage with me in constructive ways.
:You spend prodigious time and effort avenging inconsequential insults while your religious vision whithers.
Actually I have spent prodigious time and effort on my religious vision, but few people seem to be all that interested in it. It might have something to do with U*U "insults" that are anything but inconsequential. So I feel that I can spend some of my time dealing with those insults. My religious vision is available to those who want it and I can and will devote more time and effort to it in the future.
:Valid point, repeated: Your life is not so much affected by what other people have said about you as what you have said and done.
Sorry indrax, but anyone can see that my life has most certainly been affected by what U*Us have said and done, and continue to say and do. . . It is high time that U*Us responsibly acknowledged their own glaringly obvious shadow, and started to clean up the sorry mess that they have spent prodigious time and effort, and probably a fair bit of money. . . creating for themselves.
I am still giving Joel Monka a day or two to come back here and clean up the mess that he created here before I come back and do a thorough job of cleaning it up myself. . .
So you're doing your protests and blogging instead of doing other things that help the poor?
Doesn't that prove All Colors' point, that you see your protesting as more important than helping poor people?
And we have to take your word on the "people of intelligence and conscience" bit as they only message you privately and/or come up to talk to you when you're not running your video camera.
I would prefer if you didn't lie about me.
To begin with, you can drop the “DIM” crap, at least in reference to CC and me. I have never- not ever- denied what happened to you. I am not ignorant about what happened to you. And I have not minimized the impact of what happened to you. Every disagreement I have ever had with you is about YOUR behavior, TODAY. That is not blaming the victim.
When a woman in Bristol, England, attends a Unitarian (note that this is *NOT* UU) service, and feels a true spiritual connection for the first time in her life and blogs about it in her joy, you rain on her parade , talking about Unitarians collaborating with the Nazis and committing pedophilia. You were not the victim then, Robin- you were the ABUSER. You leached the joy out of her experience. There’s little enough joy in this world- how DARE you destroy hers, when NOTHING about the situation pertained to your case? When you hijack threads, driving people away from discussions where important things needed to be said and heard, you are not the victim but the abuser.
Yes a victim must reveal the crime to get justice- to the people who will adjudicate the case, which you did ten years ago. It must be revealed to the congregation who, in the end, are the highest authority in a congregational organization- which you did ten years ago. What you are doing today is simple vendetta- and most often, a vendetta against people who had nothing to do with what happened to you, and don’t have the authority to order the UCM to change.
You claim to be hampered by their slander. Nonsense, for two reasons. One: ALL who speak of revelation are slandered. Every one, from the Greats down to you- and me. ALL Pagans- who are the ones most likely to appreciate your vision- have had to deal in one way or another with slander and ridicule. Those who seek such revelations know this, and judge on their own perceptions. Two: nobody outside of Montreal would ever have been aware of Rev. Drennan’s slander if you hadn’t spread the word yourself. Had they heard nothing from you but your revelation, and then later ran across Rev. Drennan’s diatribe, they’d write it off as just another “Xtian paranoid”... but when the first thing the see from you is one of your fulminating thread hijacks, you have destroyed your own credibility.
That poor lady in Bristol now has a rather low opinion of you- because of YOUR OWN ACTIONS. She had never heard Rev. Drennan’s slander until YOU LINKED HER TO IT. She’s a Pagan; judging by her other posts, had you spoken only of your revelation, she’d have found it intriguing, perhaps been excited by the concept... but you ruined it with your monomania. And she is only one example; given the traffic at some of the sites where you have behaved badly, Goddess alone knows how many others there are like her.
Obviously I am not "doing other things that help the poor" at those times that I am doing my protests and blogging but that goes for anyone else who blogs or protests. There are many other things to do in this world besides helping the poor. I have done things to help the poor in the past, and will do so in the future, but I will also continue to protest against U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy until such a time as U*Us responsibly address them in a manner that lives up to U*U principle rather than making a total mockery of U*U principles.
:Doesn't that prove All Colors' point, that you see your protesting as more important than helping poor people?
That's a rather disingenuous *point* anonymous. Basically what you and All Colors Except White are suggesting here is that anything that I or anyone else does that is not immediately and directly helping the poor is more important to us than helping poor people. That may even be true in the strictest sense but I suggest that you take a good look at your own activities, those other U*Us, and those of most other people, regardless of what skin color they may have, before you accuse me of being selfish because I choose to spend some of my time protesting against U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy rather than directly helping the poor in that time slot.
:And we have to take your word on the "people of intelligence and conscience" bit as they only message you privately and/or come up to talk to you when you're not running your video camera.
Actually you can take my word on that but the fact of the matter is that some of the moral support of "people of intelligence and conscience" is available to be seen on the internet and I have already linked to some pages that show that positive response to this blog from the non-U*U public far outweighs any negative response to it. I am considering posting some of the private messages that I have received from people, so that you and other people can see that my word is in fact valid, but that may take a bit of time as I will probably have to seek their permission to post their private messages in a public forum. As far as my U*U Tube videos go, the Canon digital camera that I was using died on me a few months ago and I have yet to replace it with another video capable digital camera. When I do so I expect that there will be some more footage of members of the public expressing support for my protest and agreeing with my point that falsely and maliciously accusing someone of being in a "cult", or trying to start one, is the 21st century equivalent of accusing someone of being a witch a century or two ago. For now though this one will have to do. I am very confident that better footage will be available down the road a bit. In fact you can take my word for pretty much anything I say here since pretty much everything I say about U*U injustuces, abuses and hypocrisy is backed by plenty of solid evidence indicating that it is truthful.
Did we finish that conversation somewhere else?
James Andrix aka the indrax troll said -
"I decided to make you into a censor. What if I decide to make you a murderer?"
ROTFLMU*UO!
Oh dear. What if James Andrix decides to *make* me a murderer? Tell us all about it indrax. Tell the whole wide U*U World how you could possibly *make* me a murderer. I am sure that everyone is all ears. I know I certainly am. And just how might you *make* me murder anyway indrax. Do you have a hit list written up or something? Are you planning to exercise "Mind Control" over me to *make* me a murderer or something indrax? Do tell just how you would go about making me, or anyone else for that matter, a murderer. Do you have any past experience in that regard?
Still ROTFLMU*UO!
Man. That has to be one of the genuinely craziest things that you have ever said here indrax. Maybe Rev. Diane Rollert should be seeking a restraining order against you indrax, since you seem to think that you can *make* me commit a "serious personal injury offence" against someone. What a truly sad U*U joke.
Are you or are you not a censor?
What did happen to that post? Why?
As to your concerns, I have no intention of making you murder, and no plan of how to do so.
However you claimed you would not censor, and when you did, you blamed me for your actions. You put the moral responsibility for the censorship on me. As if you were a tool I used to censor myself. Yet if that were true, then what would be the limits of the tool?
If you do that which you claim you will not, how can anyone be sure you have moral limits?
Further, you have a stated policy of "do unto U*Us as U*Us do unto others" and you know of UU murderers, so I'm not even sure what moral limits you claim.
*which I have some reason to doubt since, to the best of my knowledge, the Unitarian Church of Montreal does not run a soup kitchen for the homeless. Indeed, according to waht a few homeless people have told me, the homeless seem to get the cold shoulder from Montreal Unitarian U*Us if they show up on their doorstep seeking help from Montreal U*Us. Apparently the homeless are not very welcome at this U*U "Welcoming Congregation". Come to think of it, that is yet another example of how Montreal U*Us fail to practice what they preach.
I posted a follow-up comment on your blog. While there are some similarities in the situation I do not really see myself as a Unitarian version of Martin Luther. The fact remains however that a certain number of people have drawn that comparison. Perhaps you might want to go into a bit more detail about why you chose to draw that comparison so that I might better understand where you are coming from. Martin Luther had clear doctrinal differences with the Roman Catholic Church. I do not have any significant doctrinal differences with the purported principles and purposes and other ideals of the Unitarian*Universalist "religious community". On the contrary, as this blog should make clear, my main concerns arise from Unitarian*Universalists abjectly failing and even obstinately refusing to practice what they preach. So yes, I do "hold a commitment" to the "Seven Principles" and other ideals of U*Uism. However, in that most of the U*Us involved in this conflict have flagrantly disregarded and repeatedly violated all seven of those principles in their rather inhuman human relations with me, and have thus broken those purported "covenants", I do not feel obliged to offer them much dignity, especially when their own words and actions are anything but dignified. . .
Perhaps I have a blind spot here, but I still can't see how you would be living under that shadow if no one was there casting it. You are still the only one I see spreading the word of Rev. Drennan's slander. I still haven't seen any "insulting and defamatory" "injurious and untrue" statements posted on the web that were not responses to your own postings.
There's no time for Robin to do anything productive with his life at all, except remind the internet that Martin Luther King's words apply to unloved Canadian white guys too.
Come on, UUs! All Colors is right! Stop all the good you're doing for other people and start paying attention to the lonely Canadian white guy! Forget the homless and the illiterate and the oppressed! The lonely Canadian white guy has no friends! Pay attention to him! Call Ray Drennan psychotic and spread rumours about him so that he and Robin will be even! Harass everyone who has ever insulted Robin!
Avenge the wrongs that the white guy from the rich country has suffered! Only when he is happy can we go back to helping other people who haven't had the advantages he's had!
Who says I am lonely other than obnoxious U*Us? I have a fair number of friends and acquaintances who get a really good laugh out off watching idiotic U*Us makes complete asses out of themselves on this blog or on U*U Tube etc. The fact of the matter is I live and work in a very social environment and couldn't even be lonely if I wanted to be. . . I am certainly not lonely for the company of obnoxious U*Us.
Lots of white people work hard to help other people out instead of making whiny excuses about how the Unitarians are keeping them from doing good in the world.
Lots of white people have friends that aren't imaginary.
I like lots of white people.
The UUA is responsible for oversight of ALL U*U ministers in North America. It could have and should have dealt responsibly with my complaint against Rev. Ray Drennan years ago but chose instead to whitewash him, just as it had done in other cases of clergy misconduct. THe UUA bears a very high degree of responsibility for this situation.
I am not "making whiny excuses" about how the Unitarians are keeping me from doing good in the world. The fact of the matter however is that Unitarian slanderous lies about me, and other U*U injustices and abuses, most certainly harm my ability to do certain things. I expect U*Us to provide genuine justice and equity in this matter and in other cases where U*Us have perpetrated and perpetuated injustices against other people.
It is idiotic and childish of you to suggest that my friends are imaginary. All you are doing is making yourself stupid and obnoxious. But that`s pretty much par for the course for lots of the U*Us I know. . .
I think that it is absolutely hilarious that CUC Executive Director so foolishly sa*butt*aged the UU "corporate identity" acronym by inserting famous U*U Kurt Vonnegut Jr.'s drawing of an asshole between the two Us of what is now known as U*Uism in a misguided effort to symbolize the "inclusiveness" of the U*U "movement". . . I am by no means alone in noticing that Mary Bennett's all-inclusive U*U "corporate identity" acronym looks like a crude drawing of an ass with an obscenely displayed asshole between its twin cheeks. Other people, including some U*Us, find it very funny that Mary Bennett's U*U acronym looks like "cheap ASCII butt porn". . . I can assure that many non-U*Us get a really good chuckle out of the fact that a "religion" would identify itself with an acronym that looks like a crude drawing of an ass and, let's face it. . . even without Mary Bennett's insertion of Kurt Vonnegut Jr.'s drawing of an asshole into the standard UU acronym, it still looks like somewhat less obscene "cheap ASCII butt porn". As long as I continue to see U*Us making complete asses out of themselves, and at times behaving in ways that even justifies describing some U*Us as assholes, I will be making good use of Mary Bennett's all-inclusive U*U acronym and other people besides myself will be getting a good chuckle out of it.
For the record, when I use the word "ass" or "asses" to describe some U*Us it refers to the standard English usage of the word "ass" which means "a stupid, foolish, or stubborn person". To the best of my knowledge this meaning of the word "ass" has virtually nothing to do with the human posterior but is derived instead from the reputation of a donkey-like animal known as an "ass" to be both stupid and stubborn. So, even though I may use Mary Bennett's U*U acronym to refer to U*Us as "asses" because it is a homonym for "ass", I am in fact refering not to buttucks and assholes etc. but rather to silly and/or aggressively stupid people. . . Come to think of it I could quite justifiably describe CUC Executive Director Mary Bennett as an "ass" for being so silly and even stupid as to insert famous UU Kurt Vonnegut Jr.'s drawing of an asshole between the "twin cheeks" of UUism in order to symbolize the alleged inclusiveness of the U*U "religious community" and even stubbornly continuing to promote the use her U*U acronym well after I brought it to the attention of U*Us that it looks like what one U*U calls "cheap ASCII butt porn". . .
Every commenter I've seen has said you were.
"It's idiotic and childish for you to talk about asses all the time and pretend you're kidding every time someone outsmarts you. We're even."
AFAIAC that is itself an idiotic and childish comment. . . and I have appropriately rebutted it. Most *readers* of blogs do not leave comments on them and I was talking about readers not the few commenters who are mostly U*Us trying to defend their alleged "faith" from my legitimate criticism of well-documented U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy. I am very confident that most readers of this blog will agree that foolish U*Us are being far more "idiotic and childish" in what they publicly say on this blog than I am and that their "idiotic and childish" comments often serve to publicly prove my points about the hypocrisy of the U*Us. . .
It seems odd that none of these pseudononymous people would say something publically.
As far as people looking at me as though I am annoying goes, I would certainly hope that my protest causes a certain amount of annoyance to outrageously hypocritical Montreal Unitarian U*Us. That is after all part and parcel of what public protests are supposed to do. . . Ideally a public protest will cause enough annoyance and public embarrassment that the group or institution being protested against will try to settle the dispute with the protesters but we all know how obstinately resistant to that option Montreal Unitarian U*Us are don`t we?
Actually some anonymous or pseudononymous people did say something publicly but most of them are members of the StumbleUpon social blogging community and they either gave my blogs a thumbs up SU "review" or sent me private messages using SU`s internal messaging system or both. In fact, over a year ago, I did post an example of such moral support to the Emerson Avenger blog with the express permission of the pseudonymous Stumbler who sent me the messages. I may get around to asking some of more Stumblers for permission to post some of their private messages to me on this blog but it is not a high priority for me because I do not feel any great need to prove to U*Us just how bad they look to the general public. As I have said, if U*Us are too stupid or too deeply in denial of negative public reaction to well-documented U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy that is just fine by me.
Is that the best you can do?